There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center Gotcha, so the Deep State is suppressing mountain lion news in order to prop up New Hampshire tourism? So there's even debate about that very subject. If you go on YouTube and search mount lion Pat you can see people patent their hundred pound kiddie like its regular mascot cat. Mountain lions don't usually travel more than 100 miles from where they are born. John thanks. The book MAMMAL TRACKS & SIGN by Mark Elbroch has pictures of mountain lion scat found at a multiple beaver kill. Okay. Thanks for a great thanks. I mean I that said I've lived out west for nine years. Squam Lake: Home of mountain lions - Concord Monitor He says when youve got a mountain lion in town, its kinda obvious. Caller: It had to be a mountain lion convinced I was about 30. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. What kind of animal is that. I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. Caller: Yeah I hadn't experienced blastoff fall so this was around September and I was driving from Webster into Concord on Horse Hill Road and anybody in the area would know I was right near the Red Barn and all of a sudden this animal jumps out of the woods and it bounded across the road in about two two giant leaps and stopped in the field just on the other side. Peter Biello: Nice to be here. Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. Something along those lines. Sam Evans-Brown: Certainly that is a thing I've heard but again you have to think of the incentives involved here. SUE Morse naturalist and science director for the organization keeping track. And they asked me about the tail which I just did not remember that tail out of that whole experience. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. Using DNA and physical evidence, state environmental officials said they determined that the animal. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. The most common areas to see mountain lions in Arizona are in places of rocky and mountainous terrain. Patrick Tate: And there's one other way to model that is the same animal. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. Lots of people have stories about them, people have them on their game cameras I mean its kind of a thing. The states never denied mountain lions are here, and theyve never admitted mountain lions are here. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. I don't know if she still is. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. Reports without physical evidence are not dismissed, however Fish and Game cannot verify a sighting report without physical evidence. We've met Fish and Game's BURDEN OF PROOF. Sandy Hodskins, owner of West Meadow Farm in Bradford, New Hampshire, took time from shoveling Wednesday to enjoy the snow with her horse, West Wind. But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it. Had great trees behind it beautiful ferns on the ground so it brought me down on the site and the ferns on the ground matched. And you know it's rather interesting because certainly there are those you as a case of mistaken identity or they wanted to see something that perhaps they actually didn't. And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. And I was probably about a half a mile from downtown all village on the right. Pat ruse and he was sampling doing DNA samples from cats in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. John Holt's ideas were at first dismissed but he refused to be silent. We'd be inundated with scouts in the past when newspaper articles have been written about DNA and scouts. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. Nicholas Handy can be reached at 924-7172 ext. Thank you. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. Peter Biello: This is NHK PR Good morning and HP are summer car raffle is back and now's the time to get your early bird tickets. Is there something particularly hospitable about New Hampshire Forests that make them want to come here. But are there mountain lions living in New Hampshire? Love hearing these stories. Now Bobcat is a completely different species. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. And there's there's no evidence of that cat's movement in that entire you know 12 hundred miles stretch of its journey. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. On a dirt road. Patrick Tate: Same here in New Hampshire too. Patrick Tate: Yeah yeah. Here it is. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. Peter Biello: There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. The brother and sister big cats have lived . Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development. So what those ranges. Caller: Are probably. I came to a stop and it was and I've seen a lot of bobcats in my time and I just came to a stop it was just sort of confused about what I was seeing. The supervisor that hired me in the game division in October of 1978 passed on to me this whole big folder of mountain lion information and sightings going back probably a couple decades. In fact, Pat Tate concedes that hes been told of sightings from folks that he considers to be very credible, very woods savvypeople who know what a bobcat looks likebut those folks have never snapped a good photo or found a good track. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. This is the exchange. Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. Yes. Thank you very much for listening. They absolutely do. Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. For starters, part of the confusion might come from the fact that the eastern cougar was taken off the endangered species list earlier this year. So let's let's go to the phones. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. No doubt in my mind it was. I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. Want to report a Mountain Lion sighting in New Hampshire? The American Lion The Saber tooth Tiger and this was the one that survived. Since 1917, Lions clubs have offered people the opportunity to give something back to their communities. That's next time on one day. List of mountains of New Hampshire - Wikipedia Sam Evans-Brown has been working for New Hampshire Public Radio since 2010, when he began as a freelancer. Mountain Lions in NH - Facebook Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. And to anyone listening I would just say you know fishing game who wants proof right. Okay. I mean no doubt a seen Bobcat seen his stuff. Mountain Lion report and as a biologist for the state that's a situation where if he said to me what did I see. We did a short segment about mountain lion sightings earlier this year and and after which I was sent a photo and also a video recording that was mostly just audio because it was so dark the photo just a quick reverse Google image search you can put images online and see where else where else they've been posted revealed that the photo had been taking out taken out in Wyoming and has been used you know hundreds of times to claim and the person who sent it to me said it had been taken New Hampshire. Monadnock Ledger-Transcript - Claims of mountain lions spread How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. NH Fish and Game relies on physical evidence to answer questions about the presence or absence of mountain lion in the state. brings a lot of. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. Sue Morse: The big cat really commands the utmost respect not so much fear but fascination. Sam Evans-Brown: You know the North America had a number of large predator species when humans first arrived in the continent. So Pat you field a lot of calls about people seeing or reportedly seeing mountain lions. Well I can't tell you what you saw. And I have to use that word allegedly because there is so much dispute about what people see and what they actually see. Have a photo. Part II. However the scarring on the trees did not and the angles were off. Reviewing the evidence, the U.S. Its closest living relative is the cheetah. So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. Peter Biello: Well John thanks very much for the story really appreciate it. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. I just saw the head and the tail that was leaving. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. N.H. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting - NECN Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. Sunny today high temperatures low to mid 80s it'll be clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s for tomorrow sunshine with high temperatures mid to upper 80s. They kill big animals. The unheralded hero of Apollo John Hubble the man who knew the way to the moon. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. We had six copies printed out each. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. BUT THAT SAID, Id love to be proven wrong. Patrick Tate: Exactly I was gonna bring that up juvenile male of. The exchange is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio. So take care of this problem. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. So and so the idea that they can follow up on every individual sighting is just crazy right. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. However if if and when it does happen it takes up a lot of resources looking at that situation and identifying what's going on because when you start out you don't know it's a hoax. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. But along the lines of the conspiracy theories as you mentioned earlier there there was a bit of a sense on behalf of what I'll call the promo online community who felt that fishing gain maybe not even so much in a spoken policy but maybe sort of an unspoken policy did not want to find themselves in a situation where they had to spend money to create a management plan and so forth. Current conditions in New Hampshire would support a mountain lion, according to Tate, as forests have returned, allowing for prey species to become more prevalent. Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HD PR fine Peter Biello and today we're talking with folks who can tell us about the mysterious elusive mountain line and whether or not it is actually here in New Hampshire. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. Mountain lions ( Puma concolor) are one of the six native species of wild cats in North America. The Connecticut Mountain Lion is the best documented wild Mountain Lion in New England. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. Phone number 1 800. It doesn't make much sense because you know mountain lions are as we as we said before. One was in Shelton. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. About two years ago I was at the Laconia airport on the way home from the airport and there's a big lake on one side called Lily Pond. And why would they what. Or years or so. Enable JavaScript by changing your browser options, and then try again. Lions Clubs Int'l Links: LionNet NH Links 2011 -2012 . I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. The panther, Fells concolor, is a beast of many names, most frequently referred to in New Hampshire history as catamount, but sometimes known locally as "Indian Devil" or "Carcajou", under which . Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. Caller: I have yeah. Sam Evans-Brown: So I just had two thoughts which is that we hear a lot of these stories and all of us here have heard these stories. They're very loyal to what the handler which makes them very dangerous to everyone else. So I reached down to grab the camera and looked back and like a ghost it's gone. Gap Mountain Lions Club NHPR is nonprofit and independent. Me Im willing to believe its possible that there are some out there. So here we have you know a very qualified biologist who who found a print took a plaster cast found a scat send it to a university. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? - WMUR It was not a bobcat. Right. The second story window through about 30 feet away from it. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky. Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. List of Mountains in New Hampshire is a general list of mountains in New Hampshire, with elevation.This list includes many mountains in the White Mountains range that covers about a quarter of the state, as well as mountains outside of that range.. So they're scary. 'Like we did as kids': Horse makes snow angels with her owner in New Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. Verifiable pictures recorded by the observing person or a trail camera. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. It's listed as population of least concern. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. Is that typically what was happening there. Ask Sam: Why Won't New Hampshire Admit There Are Mountain Lions Here Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. I'm Peter Biello. All of that remains unanswered but it is an extremely interesting question. So I just brought up the bobcat thing because the location is fascinating to me that that that location we have Bobcats existing but that location we have a mountain lion report because it's a developed area and which brings me back to earlier what I had said it's a bouncing ball. The term is because mascots notwithstanding right that they're referred to with a lot of different terms and sometimes they can be confused with a lot of different terms. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Mountain Lions in NH. If you missed part of today's program listen to the exchange. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. Patrick Tate: Okay. So hard to know hard to refute if there's no interest in making up a story which many people of course do then I would respond the same way as Pat did. Yes. Now again I don't know that there's anything to that. Rick van de Poll: Well a report that you know as John Harrigan up north has in co-ops County for about 15 years I kept track of reports and people would call me and tell me where they saw the mountain lion they thought they saw it and it varied right from you know downtown villages all the way to remote highlands of the North Country and and everywhere in between. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. And trying to figure out the little pieces to identify him so I bring up the names the differences but the appearances can be confusing for some. We actually have the largest subspecies of bobcat in the northern part of our state which they can get up to 40 and over 40 pounds which looks like an 80 pound the animal to visually and quite large. Women control our lives. First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time. We speculate they dont want us to screw up tourism we dont know whats going on. That's pretty elaborate. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. Peter Biello: They make great mascots at least. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. Anyways after three weeks I finally found the image on line on a field and stream photo contest and the explanation in the end was the person that set the camera out with another individual and they believed that someone who knew of the camera location saw the similarities put the can't picture on their SD card so it looked like that camera recorded the image that is. And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. Sam. Theres tracks everywhere. But if you do if you think you're looking at a wild Puma their tail is very thick and especially in the winter is very thick and ponderous looking. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. Peter Biello: The number is 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. Patrick Tate: I've from all the situations I've read and learned about wildlife. And so a mountain lion is actually quite large right. Have it reported down in the Keene area. However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. Patrick Tate: Yes. There was no sign of it. Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. My wife and I saw a mountain lion. But if people are still seeing mountain lions, why is the state and federal government seeking to COVER IT UP!? For over 38 years the Saddleback Mountain Lions have offered people a chance to give back to their community. It was in the spring flash kind of early summer and my wife looked at you look at the size of an adult bear and we were up in arms. DNA from scat or from fur, a clear track that is confirmed by an expert, or a photo that clearly shows a mountain lion. And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. Which goes back to the Connecticut Connecticut cat and what not. Sam what's the incentive for the government to deny allegedly. So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. How many mountain lions are in New Hampshire? - AnswersAll And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. Is this kind of a typical story. You know interactions are pretty unusual. They're just moving around freely. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. What do you think that. Thank you for visiting the New Hampshire Fish and Game Department website. I have one that's more elaborate than that. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center All exhibit and hiking trails are CLOSED for the season. There's never, ever, ever, ever been a documented case of a black mountain lion. I believe I saw one that's fine and I'm not looking for an immediate story. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. But my experience was that the majority of these accounts could not be taken lightly. So it's there was no question in my mind. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! Well thanks for sharing. If youd like to submit a question (or send a mountain line photo) you can record it as a voice memo on your smart phone and send it tooustidein@nhpr.org, OR call our hotline, 1-844-GO-OTTER (1-844-466-8837) and leave a message. About Us Media Kit Calendar of Events Volunteer Visit Learn Events Membership Support Your Visit BUY TICKETS Know Before You Go Directions and Information Our Animals Live Animal Exhibit Trail Hours and Admission Calendar of Events And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. The Eastern mountain lion is extinct in the eastern United States and Canada, but in 2011, a . And the second question is this a behavior mountain lions exhibit. There's a lot of photographs that you can see that it's very clearly a tabby cat that someone has thought was a mountain lion. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. It's bigger but bigger and better world. The report came in from a conservation officer. "Of those three to five reports,. Less successful males roam further. I'm Peter B yellow. There's no attraction. Wildlife biologist breaks down mountain lion sightings in CT | New So here in New Hampshire when a person turns in something that the Department believes is possible mountain lion and believes it should be investigated further. Saddleback Mountain Lions Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. And I just said I saw I saw they from behind the shoulder all the way past the long tail. They sent it already. Mountain lion or cat running across. However, as far as I can tell theres no Deep State Conspiracy to cover up a breeding population of cougars in the Granite State. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. Peter Biello: Today on the program Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist and far better project leader Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in which is about the natural world and how we use it. Peter Biello: Well hey Rob. I'll send it to you. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. So. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. Incredible sighting and I called him the fish and game and they immediately sent me to a website to look at all the bobcat pictures.

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